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Escapism

5764 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2019/04/01 (Monday) 14:49:55

escapism deals much more with withdrawing into fantasy worlds and addictions than simply seeking entertainment, 5, 9 and 4 respectively come way before 7


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535 fg 3d4044d6 on 2018/05/15 (Tuesday) 09:36:34

take the socionics test and get LIE.

take  few function mbti test and get INTJ most of time and sometimes ISTJ

take few letter mbti test and get INTJ as much as ENTJ

take few enneagramm test and got 5, 8 or 1.


5759 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/04/01 (Monday) 00:25:09

The way I wrote it makes it look like theres no correlation but it very likely was abait by LadyX for cp6w5 using the ISFJ vote that is wrong to get a reaction from fg but that would also apply for a comment about cp6w5 I mean any kind of reaction like that, bloomer did the same but more directly with me, and even if it is a mistaken use but I don't think it is it could easily turn into one as following the bait.


5760 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/04/01 (Monday) 05:46:35

I think I still wrote it in a bad way.

LadyX: fg is Ctype={ISFJ, cp6w5}

fg: I'm not ISFJ!

LadyX: That's what a cp6w5 would say!

That considering type as a whole, but even if it is not one can assume LadyX does that for ISFJ when he says "Il vaut mieux réfléchir :)" keeping his opinion for very likely trolling but what he does there is part of the kafka trap as:

LadyX: fg is Ctype={ISFJ, cp6w5}

fg: I am not.

LadyX: Refllecting time!

fg: No I am not.

LadyX: That is what a cp6w5 would say!

In theory he even uses a post hoc ergo propter hoc too as there is no reason a 1w9 or a 5w6 or even a cp5w6 wouldn't act like that.


5761 Kawaii 0bf3ca47 on 2019/04/01 (Monday) 05:54:50

iNTJ 1w9 154 So/Sx LSI-Ti / EIE-Fe


5762 LadyX 2b866641 on 2019/04/01 (Monday) 12:37:27

Wow phsc - quite the imagination! 

ISFJ - leading with introverted sensing and then extroverted feeling - the type most focused on tangible information and the opinions of others.  Also capable of being fantastic caring friends who always remember your birthday by sending your a beautifully wrapped gift with your favorite color wrapping paper.  But not when in counterphobic mode- a level of development soon outgrown with some effort.

I'll update my assessment to an IxxJ, but resist the normative demands to conform.


5763 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/04/01 (Monday) 13:01:03

Function votes are IDR votes not MBTI votes and that description uses functions, I don't know fg well enought to type him so there is nothing else for me to talk about,  I just wanted to point that that fallacy that is extremely common in typology as a whole so people don't fall for it and don't use it.

But I really love it when people instead of showing me where I am wrong just say that I am!


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Adam Smith

5757 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/03/31 (Sunday) 23:27:49

Hey tch, why 0.75 for T? I know he really liked talking and writing about morals but I don't see the correlation, just curious


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Johann Sebastian Bach

5753 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2019/03/31 (Sunday) 17:09:33

u sure about that 3 doodz


5755 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/03/31 (Sunday) 18:09:42

I find it unlikely for Bach to have been a 4, he did not have the general unique idea and if he did it was really private, first he didn't try to make really innovative music out of the start, he spent a lot of time trying to copy Buxtehude's style, and it took him years for him to stop using a north german organ school style into a south germanic one which are easy to see in the cantabile style present in his later works mostly the Art of the Fugue and The Musical Offering, 2 can be an option but his general behaviour towards other people does not seem to fit, he really loved his first wife and he got really sad when she died, but still he got married again this time with a nice singer, he had many kids but I don't think any of that was because he wanted to be loved or anything, he did give out classes many times for minimal amounts and some of it was because he thought he was doing good, but I think he is a 3 because of some important factors in his life, he frequently considered many musicians incompetent but he actually did better than them but then it could be a 1 thing, but let me use an example, the Well Tempered Clavier actually wasn't the first time he used equal temperament for tuning, he used it before in a competition agaisn't a french dude called Louis Marchand, he didn't get to use it agaisn't him but did show the people that were going to see the competition, because Marchand flew from the city when he realized that Bach could compose in 24 tones, Marchand was for sure a main 3 considering what he did after and that he did not compose that much yet improvise or just show off his skills but we are not typing him.

Another thing is that Bach got obsessed about a melody I think Frederick II of Prussia "the Great" played on the flute, which generated his crab canon later on, but well according to what I've read Bach got obsessed and wanted to understand that melody deeply and then compose something impressive out of it but the king was kind of an asshole with him, if I remember right he did not get to show it to the king too because of his poor health and because he had to compose many and many pieces, and Bach also really enjoyed when his cantatas were popular, but then most I mentioned could maybe apply to 2s? he really believed in god but not really in a 4 way, all he wanted to do is make music that sounded like god and I think he did achieve that in many different forms, but I'm open for other suggestions for that.

 

One could easily question the 5 vote for the tritype, but I am quite sure about 5 even though 6 could also be it for the tritype with some new information, Bach was a really religious man but his pieces are not like the one a 6 would compose I think, he got inspiration much from composers from previous times and did not like newer music but the reason would very likely be just 1 things, the new music was much simpler than what he composed and Bach valued things that the classic period did not value such as extreme skill on the use of counterpoint which he developed one could say even systems for using it, he also used many things not common for his period and that are really rare even to this day such as the greek modes, the best use being the "Dorian" Toccata and Fugue in D minor BWV 538, other than heavy cromaticism which is a quite rare thing mostly if you compare him to other composers from the time such as Handel, also that he did value music from other regions, mostly considering the high amount of works with italian, french and english influences in them, as also taking many themes from italian composers.

 

I am also not sure about the socionics vote, Bach fits socionics Ti pretty well with his logic and system creating, he really liked following rules exactly as they should but I think that is both a socio Ti and Te thing, but his method for creating melodies mostly later on is from using mathematical patterns and simply numbers, letters, names, which is really interesting, but his general style is repeating a bunch of themes with many variations with casual new ideas coming in and out but with extreme attention to detail, Se fits because mostly young Bach had problem with incompetent authorities or just people he did not like in a few cases, but I could see a case for LSE, he really took many pieces to compose and a lot were cantatas which were probably the most useful stuff he composed as in for the time, I've seen some people type him as SLI but I don't see him as a Si dom for real, he died because he wanted to compose too much and then there is that eye surgery thing that was done by that dude that also killed Handel, but the reason he died is more related to being 1 and impatient and wanting to be competent towards doing what he had to do.

 

I am also not completely sure about ISTJ for IDR but I think the general mastery over multiple styles is more of a Si indicator with the inferior Ne casually kicking in for ideas? but then Ni Se could've been it? I am not sure about how the achieved most of his ideas as in the original ones other than taking what other people made and improving it which is what most ISTJs do but he had some really big creativity sometimes as can be seen in Fantasia in G minor BWV 572 and how it develops being really different from everything else and the fact he literally prolongs a G major chord for 5 minutes with like a prelude like strucutre at the end which is not a prelude? and how he did not give a fuck about the north organ school tradition later on and how he did some weird stuff such as using solo pedal parts that can be easily seen in the Toccata and Fugue in D minor BWV 565 that are kind of an heresy and some historians even think he did not compose it but Te Fi for sure, and if one questions the sp/so vote even though Bach got sad with his wifes death and by the way he composed the Violin Partita no.2, the Chaconne in D minor BWV 1004 after she died and did marry again but I don't think he was that close to them as in a sx user is, he did not have many problems having to be far from family and his relationship was kinda I would say pragmatic mostly with his second wife because they would compose and as she was a singer it would greatly help Bach but I am not that sure about sp main for Bach.


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Mark Zuckerberg

3335 switchblades abeeba2f on 2018/09/22 (Saturday) 17:18:39

Reptile - Nine Inch Nails


5750 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2019/03/31 (Sunday) 11:05:25

ILI-Te cancer


5752 ResoluteSoul 8877d2e4 on 2019/03/31 (Sunday) 16:32:48

Although we may fear that one day the lizards will control the world, he seems too indifferent to be an 8.


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Guru

5748 LadyX 2b866641 on 2019/03/31 (Sunday) 01:42:31

from Above the Clouds

"I Self Lord and Master shall bring disaster to evil factors

Demonic chapters shall be captured by Kings

Through the storms of days after

Unto the Earth from the Sun through triple darkness to blast ya

With a force that can't be compared

To any firepower, for it's mindpower shared

The brainwave causes vessels to circulate

Like constellations reflect at night off the lake

Word to the Father and Mother Earth

Seeking everlasting life through this Hell for what it's worth

Look listen and observe"


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Phsc

5288 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/02/17 (Sunday) 18:33:02

So I am curious about what type random people who don't know me at all think I am based on my 22 comments on this lovely website.

I made most of my comments in the following character's pages: Asuka Langley Sohryu, Socrates, 9w1, Libertarianism and INFP.

And no, this does not say I have Si and remember things, I unironically wrote it out because I planned on making this post a while ago but I was thought I did not have enought comments for anything to be possible to be deduced from it.

Now, since I have a reason to make a post, I will use the rest of it to try to make a few tests using this text editor and the website in a general way, and also the edit feature if I got right what it does.



I think testing the features giving test results is a great idea.






5738 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/03/29 (Friday) 18:07:41

hey Reddit dude so I think you should vote ESI or LSI for my sociotype even though you do not know socionics, like it has the same effect as voting ISTJ and cp6w5, ok? also don't forget about the tritype, a wonderful 269 for it to be really accurate, or 7 if you're bloomer but then read the comment I made earlier, would make sense for the ISTJ IDR vote because I voted ESTJ for bloomer but then he is like the ultimate Ni user or something ain't I right? by the way this is typical paranoid 6 behaviour okay? let's ignore everything else and focus on that because you're like the master of all typology who has a IQ of f(n) = 1/√5 {[(1+√5)/2]^n - [(1-√5)/2]^n}


5739 fg 3d4044d6 on 2019/03/29 (Friday) 18:10:39

when i see your page. i want to ask a question? why do competent people are not respected on this site?


5742 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/03/29 (Friday) 22:27:50

I think the fact some people think I'm josepthy1, other just dislike me for some reason such as I not accepting being a type I am not and then they think that that method of acting is proof for what they are saying ignoring the fact that maybe they might not have all the information, and the people that would take this serious are from the discord but they actually want to see how I act before voting here and some are even inactive here, but in a general way it is pretty simple, the magic world of trolls and people who care and thus can be "competent", I mean this is quite like a forum after all.

That is if you're directing it to me instead of someone else on this amazing page but then I have no idea of who that could be.

But the josepthy1 thing makes some sense, random dude appears out of nowhere and finds many flaws on the website, with some typology knowledge, I would think that could be a possibility considering how few new people enter this website, I am not him and I think anyone that has talked to me on discord would agree but then I don't even know how his behaviour was so...

 

But let me also make a question, how are you deducing your 0.75T vote for me? so the method that I use is that a 1T vote means 8 out of 8 actions are done by thinking, that a 0.25T is 5 by thinking, a 0.25F is 3 by thinking, then when there are many actions I just round it, just to be sure I will mention that I did not get angry at all on any of this and most of it was just me ridicularizing things, just curious to know your line of thinking in achieving it because I cannot and thus am curious, maybe it can be just that I might have acted out of feelings or something similar and do not remember or just did not realize that I did.


5745 Reddit b632c55a on 2019/03/30 (Saturday) 06:32:52

Bro, this the biggest lie you dun ever wrote. Just stop it and spare the poor souls who are tired of witnessing your lies and paranoia on the homepage. Please...for their sake. 


5746 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/03/30 (Saturday) 07:03:04

Reddit dude you forgot the XSI vote because Ne polr paranoia


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George Berkeley

5741 Jacobus 900d2bea on 2019/03/29 (Friday) 19:22:51

It seems a bit odd to type a guy who denied the existence of matter as a Sensor


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Billie Eilish- All Good Girls Go To Hell

5734 Jacobus 900d2bea on 2019/03/29 (Friday) 01:29:21

does every fucking song by her need to be put on here


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Kirigaya Kazuto "Kirito"

2093 fg 3d4044d6 on 2018/07/12 (Thursday) 06:52:08

a clear ISXP.


5732 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2019/03/28 (Thursday) 04:26:14

baland as fuck


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Stoic

5727 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2019/03/27 (Wednesday) 14:11:30

affiliation Philosophy


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Logic

5684 tman 448d3329 on 2019/03/24 (Sunday) 22:57:08

The reason I chose ISTP over INTP is this, Blind (aka "Trickester) Ne. Logic dosn't deal in posbilties. It deals in yes/no. True/False. There is no inbetween.


5697 tman 448d3329 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 14:53:01

Yeah I'm kind of still learing about socionics. I'm familure enough with it to know I pefer the congitve fuctions modle, allthough I like both.


5711 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/03/26 (Tuesday) 16:23:16

Unsure if you know but concepts such as quadra come from functions as groupings, Alphas being Ne Ti Fe Si Beta being Ti Se Ni Fe Gamma being Te Ni Se Fi and Delta being Te Si Ne Fi.

And it does make sense, a thing I see you doing a lot is voting LII for characters or people that tend to be considered LSI such as Light Yagami and fg and well I don't know fg really well but I don't really see Se polr in both of them which makes a lot of sense for the dinstinction betwen Alpha and Beta quadra.


5718 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2019/03/27 (Wednesday) 08:20:40

that's a rlly cool theory bro.. wanna go light one up


5724 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/03/27 (Wednesday) 12:22:27

It does make sense, all quadras are separated in functions that are valued that being 1, 2, 5 and 6.

It makes a lot of sense for like Beta to be Ti, Se and Ni, take a look at famous Betas and the general atitude, you can even deduce things further for like Reinin dichotomies.

https://www.sociotype.com/socionics/quadras/

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/content.php/15-Socionics-Four-Quadra

http://socionics.world/quadras/


5725 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2019/03/27 (Wednesday) 13:43:18

i think everyone's like, entitled to their own opinion man.. like, reality's just what you make of it..


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Asuka Langley Sohryu

4774 Jacobus 900d2bea on 2019/01/23 (Wednesday) 12:20:46

As a person who has a sister with the exact same personality as Asuka I can tell you that she's 2w3


4777 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/01/23 (Wednesday) 16:32:09

Well, lets to go the enneagram institute itself to get descriptions:

2: The Caring, Interpersonal Type: Demonstrative, Generous, People-Pleasing, and Possessive

3: The Success-Oriented, Pragmatic Type: Adaptive, Excelling, Driven, and Image-Conscious

4: The Sensitive, Withdrawn Type: Expressive, Dramatic, Self-Absorbed, and Temperamental

If take the words that affect Asuka, and only, we get these, according to me: Demonstrative, Possessive - Excelling, Driven, and Image-Conscious - Expressive, Dramatic, Self-Absorbed, and Temperamental

Which in theory gives 2 points to enneagram 2, 3 points to enneagram 3 and 4 points to enneagram 4.

From the same source, a small quote on misindentifying 3s and 4s:

Threes tend to focus on task, on efficiency, on performance. Of course, Threes have feelings, but as much as possible, they put them on the backburner whenever there are things to get done—and with many Threes, that is most of the time. As Threes become less healthy, they increasingly see their own feelings as "speed bumps"–annoyances that must be dealt with but which interfere with their effectiveness. Threes want to get their goals accomplished, and then, time permitting, process their feelings.

Fours are almost the exact opposite. Naturally, Fours want to accomplish things too, but when difficult feelings arise, Fours want to stop what they are doing and process them before returning to their tasks. The less healthy the Four, the more he or she will need lots of time to sort through troubling feelings and reactions. Threes can see the Four's preoccupation with sorting feelings as unprofessional and immature. Fours can see the Three's obsession with performance as inauthentic and shallow.

 

With that, you can see that: she is 3 over 4, but, back to the original point, 2 vs 4:

Threes get others to like them by developing the excellence of their own "package." Threes seldom lavish attention on the other; rather, they are trying to be so outstanding and irresistible that the other will want to focus attention on them. And while Threes enjoy the attention, and want relationships, they actually fear intimacy, becoming more uneasy as the relationship becomes closer.

Also true, of course, but what is more true, the fact Asuka wants attention and be considered great is true for both cases, but what affects her more, trying to be the focus of attention or trying to escape her feelings? well, the general point of Asuka in Evangelion is her escaping her feelings, and in theory once she accepts them and etc in like the End of Evangelion, she gets the AT field and kicks the ass of the like evil EVAs.

 

Anyway, this is purely according to the enneagram institute, what happens in practice is that, 2s tend to be good with people, and 4s tend not to be good with people, and well, Asuka is really unhealthy, but she really... sucks as a close friend or helping others! she doesn't.

Not only that but there is a clear relation with 3w4 and narcissism, which is pretty obvious, I'd say mostly in real life, and people here seem also to agree on that: http://index.sakinorva.net/view?id=2992 but it's not like this says anything just makes the probability higher, not like there are no 3w2 narcissists

Anyway, here is the thing: all types need some love, some at all, when a kid mostly, and she didn't have the love she needed as a kid, and I've seen that in practice 4s also want love, attention and recognition, she works towards that, so a 3, she doesn't help others which is mostly the main characteristic of 3s, she is not good with people, not saying that 2s help people for the sake of helping them, some do actually, but what happens is that, she doesn't do that, and the 3w4 problem with hiding the feelings to get the job done is literally all that happens in Evangelion.

So I consider your argument valid, but not as a valid as mine for 3w4, she does have small 2 traits, but way more 4 traits.

Any other argument is welcome, if mine didn't convince you and you think I didn't understand the point of your argument or that I didn't refute it, please explain to me why.


4778 Jacobus 900d2bea on 2019/01/23 (Wednesday) 18:12:22

Think about it this way: both 3w2 and 3w4 will want to be at the top of whatever social group they are in. However, 3w4 will try to do that through their own "unique" manner and with more willingness to confront their emotions (think Lil Peep, Janelle Monae and Lady Gaga). I don't see any of that in Asuka. She actively conforms and derides Shinji and Rei for refusing or being unable to conform. Her methods for winning attention and praise are by being more skilled than others, more intelligent than others, and most importantly, sexier than others. That lines up much more with 3w2.

You are correct in pointing out that her relations to her emotions are atypical for 3w2s, but that can be more easily explained by the fact that a) she's extremely unstable; b) a fictional character, and thus bound to be inconsistant with actual human archetypes.


4780 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/01/23 (Wednesday) 18:46:52

Well, not really, that is how a 4w3 tries to do it, and mostly types that have Fi or Ne, I don't know who Janelle Monae is but I'm pretty sure both Lil Peep and Lady Gaga are not only ISFP but also 4w3, and the typings in this site seem to agree with me, and well, guess, Asuka is a ENTJ, Te Ni Se Fi, and a ISFP is Fi Se Ni Te, it's the same functions but in complete opposite order, and thus, complete different methods of use, and the MBTI and the functions really affect it, but she is also 3w4 because, isn't being the best being unique after all? it's not about doing it in a unique way as a 3w4, thats how a 4w3 or a 4w5 would see it, it's about doing it, it's a 3 main, they might do it so they are different, 3 first, 4 second.

So, if your argument is comparing a ENTJ 3w4 to ISFPs 4w3, then saying they are not similar and well, they aren't! and then saying she is 3w2 not giving a valid argument for 3w2, because isn't being the best, being unique, after all?


5721 Kawaii 0bf3ca47 on 2019/03/27 (Wednesday) 12:00:50

Whats actually 4 about her?


5723 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/03/27 (Wednesday) 12:17:11

Actually thinking about it, 3w2 fits better? I mean she does want things such as love (Kaji thing, indirectly Shinji, etc) and related things, but she doesn't treat it like a 2 normally does and does not do 2 classicl behaviour like helping others but it does not justify 4, does she want to be special? have a identity? I mean she did try to find a purpose to her life and that would be being the best EVA pilot ever, I think what happened here is just stereotypes taking things over?

I mean it depends a lot on the source for enneagram stuff but reading what I wrote using the enneagram institute she does not fit into 2 classic stuff and slighty better into 4, but if we consider only core fears and motives as mr.bloomer would like, 3w2 fits best, I am unsure, if I remember right mostly in the rebuild she is way more isolated and in the original she was more dramatic and emotional but mostly internally.

It has been a while since I watched Eva so maybe what I remember is wrong?

 

So she wants some kind of love that would be all I can say for enneagram 2 as much as she does not have typical 2 behaviour at all, she has a minimal identity seek with the "I want to be the best EVA pilor ever" but then that is just mainly 3, in behaviour I think 4 fits better because of the emotional struggles she has? I have no idea.


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Daria Morgendorffer

5722 Kawaii 0bf3ca47 on 2019/03/27 (Wednesday) 12:04:09

F is a braindead vote


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Steve Carell

5720 thormns 70add034 on 2019/03/27 (Wednesday) 11:22:01

hard af to figure out for whatever reason


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Arnold Schoenberg

5717 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/03/26 (Tuesday) 18:10:34

By the way, he was not really much J and he was heavily T, I can understand a 0.75T vote but thing is, he was not heavily J, so I have read two books by him until now, Theory of Harmony which is extremely boring by many, it is even somewhat of a meme as a entry read for music theory but it is indeed amazing but it is very P, it looks like he is writing it without rethinking about it, not planning much ahead, he does planning but on practice he doesn't really apply them that much, and the other being Fundamentals of Musical Composition which is similar but more organized, I would say 0.25J fits the best mostly considering his personal life.

Also he was 5>4 considering what I know about him, not that much into being unique or sentimental or generic 4 stuff and I could even see 5w6 for him as he was really into 12 tone and atonal music later on in a quite weird way, also his works are heavily T, his late works aren't about the beauty of music itself yet the beauty of 12 tone music and atonal music which is at least in my eyes and most people who are into that eyes about the complexity and the simple beauty of it not as something you listen to and enjoy like let's say a Mozart piece yet more of a Bach way, complexity, but it is also beautiful as in the score too like a piece by Chopin, many times heavily contrapuntal and in a general way heavily T but still some F aspects to it, that is why 0.75T.

But maybe there is some stuff I do not know about, so mention that and I can change my mind.


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Nagito Komaeda

292 Kawaii 0bf3ca47 on 2018/05/09 (Wednesday) 13:15:07

Do you guys do drugs


308 strawberry crisis inshowha on 2018/05/09 (Wednesday) 16:45:34

He really only wants hope for hope’s sake though doesn’t he? I guess he sees “beauty” in it or as an ideal to work toward but I feel like it doesn’t refer back to himself. There’s something about his striving for hope that seems very outside himself and not self-centered even though there is a sense of “elitism” attached to it that also aligns well with 4. I don’t think that’s a bad spin at all but there’s something fundamentally offputting about the relationship that typing would have with how fulfilled he is with his identity and how unfocused he is with it. Nagito sees himself as a stepladder for the Ultimates to shine and instill hope, and is extremely self-sacrificial in that regard. I’m not sure if “wanting love” is the best way to express how he’s connected to type 2 but instead that he wants to be seen as helpful to everyone and will take extreme measures to accomplish that. The problem with typing him 4 is that he seems to have everything figured out already with regard to his identity—he isn’t really explorative with his identity (and he isn’t even focused on his identity in the first place). He can be self-deprecating, but he is extremely optimistic and hopeful, hence why he is so okay with leaving everything up to chance. I almost think 1 is a better fit than 4??? I’m not sure why I typed him a 2w3 even... 2w1 makes a lot of sense too imo. It’s just hard to see Nagito primarily being a 4 unless you want to spin it to mean that he disintegrated to 2 and shows that side instead of his 4 side. And gosh I guess he does have a “link” to 2 and 1 but it’s easier to see him as a 2w1 with a connection to 4 instead of a 4w3 with a connection to 2 and 1.


312 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2018/05/09 (Wednesday) 17:15:38

I still know a lot of arguments against what you said but I don't feel like I have enough energy to type them down.


313 strawberry crisis inshowha on 2018/05/09 (Wednesday) 17:28:47

I'm 100% stretching the strings


574 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2018/05/17 (Thursday) 03:44:17

Kinda 2 in both, the anime and the game, in the game he was more 4 than in the anime for sure.


5716 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2019/03/26 (Tuesday) 17:59:53

4 So asf 


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Nagito Komaeda

5715 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2019/03/26 (Tuesday) 17:57:40

Surprisingly, 3w2 is one of the easiest types to read


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Makoto Niijima / Queen

5522 Suzeeda bfc536b6 on 2019/03/05 (Tuesday) 16:40:30

Hate to break it to y’all, but perfectionist Makoto is a TWO. Not a ONE.

What we often forget is that the Enneagram is based on a person’s CORE FEARS, not their reactions to these fears or their personality per se.

See, Makoto even says in the game verbatim that she has a fear of worthlessness and her lowest point was when she was caught up on being useless. That screams 2, not 1’s fear of being incorrect


5710 Prophet 3efcc0e6 on 2019/03/26 (Tuesday) 05:18:37

@suzeeda

 

She isn’t necessarily 2 just because she says she fears worthlessness, and 1s fear isn’t being incorrect (just wtf are you smoking?) While self worth is an image triad issue, the basic fear for twos is being unwanted. The two influence is coming from the wing, hence 1w2. Her overall pattern  reveals a strong degree of influence from the superego (guilt, responsibilities, “shoulds”), which points to types 1-2-6, but she is not an image type. There’s no entitlement, self importance, giving to get feistiness evident in low to average health 2s. She is largely compliant to an ideal (inner critic), and criticism directed towards her is typical of 1s (too prim and proper, too goody goody, too by the books).

 

Compare and contrast the two character styles:


>Both types are serious, and conscience-driven, both like to feel that they are of service, and both can be very altruistic; however, their styles and motivations differ significantly. Ones try to transcend the personal in their dealings, appealing to principles and the evident "rightness" of their positions or suggestions. Twos are highly personal and see their service in personal terms. Ones defend their autonomy–they do not want people to interfere with them. Twos seek close connection and even merging. Ones are restrained in the expression of their positive feelings although they let people know when they are dissatisfied or irritated. Twos may have difficulty with hostile or angry feelings, but they are fairly unrestrained in expressing their positive feelings. In lower average, to average health, there is an ego behind 2s, a self importance, giving to get, feisty, entitled personality. It’s an image type after all. Criticism of Makoto has nothing or little to do with any of this. She is accused of being a goody goody prim and proper girl who plays too much by the rules and procedures (compliance to an ideal).

 


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mike ike

111 SigmaEnigma 2f984bd1 on 2018/05/04 (Friday) 14:26:14

Ok seriously Kawaii ENFP by letters is one thing, but IEE is completely ridiculous.


5311 switchblades abeeba2f on 2019/02/18 (Monday) 00:21:26

i know...


5316 switchblades abeeba2f on 2019/02/18 (Monday) 22:44:42

only one of the mbti votes is correct... 


5323 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2019/02/19 (Tuesday) 08:37:33

 F 


5326 switchblades abeeba2f on 2019/02/19 (Tuesday) 13:13:07

ISFJ tbh...


5709 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2019/03/26 (Tuesday) 01:39:31

S is retarded


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Nazi Germany

5701 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 15:28:09

the central principle of nazi germany was the idea of an overarching, racially pure people and the genocide of the impure, they are 1s gone sicko mode


5704 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 15:36:09

thinking there can be only one perfect, right race and going to extremes to enforce it as a rule is very different from "i hate black people because my dad does"


5706 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 15:41:56

Really? strawberry crisis, did you really make so it verifies if there is a 6 in the type vote or does it just verify if it has cpXwX where X is one of the original possible cp votes?


5708 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 22:44:54

really? fr? you did that? oh okay


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Use of the Whistle Register

5707 Zeego dd1c80b0 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 18:34:26

Thought this was about whistle languages at first


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France

5677 fg 3d4044d6 on 2019/03/24 (Sunday) 09:51:58

only idiots or uncultivated could vote france as ISFP. I is unlikely, France's unniversalism is turned on the outside E>I. France is clearly N over S, it is the country of litterature and the country of the french revolution and a country knew for it's idealism and intellectualism, F and T is borderline. France is a country where state and regulation have a big importance (unlike United State who is voted as ESTJ, that's ridiculous) J>P is more reasonable.


5692 fg 3d4044d6 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 05:14:57

"

Lack of concern for cleanliness in public places

Focus on establishing one's specialness via fashion, strange eating habits, unusual interests

Ignoring social issues rather than working incrementally for improvement

General "haterism" directed toward each other and the rest of the world, with the flipside of "superiority-complex"

Seems like Enneagram 4 and FP - maybe I/E and S/N not helpful in the analysis" what the fuck. i live in france and there i can tell you that  is not any true things that camed from your post. for example there is not more focus about fashion in france than other country. don't confuse the image that tourists have of paris and france.


5693 thormns 70add034 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 07:47:58

@fg REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

france sucks


5698 tman 448d3329 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 15:11:52

FG for most of these, I'm going of styrotpes.


5699 tman 448d3329 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 15:12:28

After all, no country could every really be condeced down to a single typee.


5700 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 15:16:18

except for the french, who would rather get hit by a car than risk looking a driver in the eyes before crossing


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Matt Christman

5694 thormns 70add034 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 08:56:13

mayb 6w7 idk lmao


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Monarchism

5468 fg 3d4044d6 on 2019/02/27 (Wednesday) 05:53:23

Beta (EIE, LSI or SLE) are the most likely to be autocrat (IEI are least likely to be autocrat due tot their IxxP temperament  but are often supporter of it). when it's not them the only representent of autocracy would be SEE, but it's rarer. SLE represent a more imperialist and militarist style of autocracy, more focused about the expansion of the territory (Napoleon Bonaparte, Peter the Great and William the Conqueror ), LSI have a less confrontational style of autocracy but far more opressive and focused about discipline and obeidence (Nicolas I and II of Russia, Paul I of Russia and Stalin). EIE are imperialist like SLE but have an idealized vision of the empire/kingdom/ nation ( Hitler and Napoleon III) rather than a pragmatic one like SLE or a structural view of it like LSI.

i vote LSI over EIE and SLE mainly because of the chosen image.

in CF xNTJ work the best because monarchy is about long term vision and authoritarianism. STJ can work too but at a less important level on my opinion.

in enneagramm 1, 8 and 6 are the best candidate for supporting it.the  three most authoritarian type.


5482 tman 448d3329 on 2019/02/27 (Wednesday) 16:53:42

"Hey, I have an idea, mabye the system of goveremnt that's based entirly on linage is a Ni User!" 


5483 fg 3d4044d6 on 2019/02/27 (Wednesday) 17:26:54

monarchy =/= royalism

monarchy is the ruling of the one. (idem for autocracy)

royalty is different and is based on linage.

there is elective monarchy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_monarchy

some institutions like the french 5th republic is often called as presidential monarchy.

 


5682 Jacobus 900d2bea on 2019/03/24 (Sunday) 19:46:43

In the Anglophone, a clear distinction is made between monarchy and dictatorship, and for us monarchism is synonymous with royalism. Autocracy is a broad term that can apply equally to monarchy and dictatorship. I'm the one who made the entry and this how I meant it.

If you are to read the works of monarchist political theorists (Maistre, Leontiev, among others), Ni (especially Socionics Ni, somewhat less so Jungian Ni) is vital to them. Stability over long periods of time, subservience to something transcendent (God, the Church, the nation), etc. It's not so much preserving something for them as dedicating the nation to this transcendent ideal and in union with its distant past.


5691 fg 3d4044d6 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 04:50:12

the distinction exist in france between monarchy and dictatorship. but i find the term dictatorship too negativly connoted today and vague (i prefer use the term authoritariannism who is more neutral )  while royalism is often idealized because of our medival imaginary . in anglosphere elective monarchy is a used term. so even if there is correlation between royalism and monarchy it's not the same thing. i have read some of Joseph de Maistre (EIE), Jacques Bainville ( beta) and Charles Maurras(LSI) about royalism.  and yes it is really Ni ish (i already writed it). i prefered to talk about autocracy in general because some example are borderline in term of royalism (it's hard to say if Bonapartism is a monarchy for example, he kept a lot of republican value against the value of the royalty while he share with royalism the ruling of one + the lineage.). a monarch is not automatically a king it can be an emperor or a choosen person like in Holy Roman Empire.


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Analytic Philosophy

5247 fg 3d4044d6 on 2019/02/11 (Monday) 17:20:40

my college philosophy department is far too much analytic and not enough continental. i want to scream to my teachers, fuck Popper and Moore(especially Popper), long live Schelling and Sartre. i am kidding (a little), analytic philosophy can be interesting.


5688 tman 448d3329 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 00:55:57

What the hell do you have aginst Popper? I can even see some corlation between his critical rationlism and de Bolivar's "Ethics of Uncertenty" and Camues concept's in "the reble"


5689 fg 3d4044d6 on 2019/03/25 (Monday) 04:16:55

i am against how he forbide to seek sense in history.


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Russia

5687 tman 448d3329 on 2019/03/24 (Sunday) 23:10:27

In mother Rusia MBTI types you!


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Japan

5686 tman 448d3329 on 2019/03/24 (Sunday) 23:10:00

Moderen Japan: ISFJ (emphazes on social cohestion in order to keep things going. Let out there inifior Ne with weird chibi shit.)

Older Japan (Emphaze of dispationite duty)

 


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Alberto Giacometti

5670 LadyX 2b866641 on 2019/03/23 (Saturday) 01:02:26

Quotes (sounds like a 5):

"I paint and sculpt to get a grip on reality... to protect myself."



 





"If only someone else could paint what I see, it would be marvellous, because then I wouldn't have to paint at all."




5685 tman 448d3329 on 2019/03/24 (Sunday) 23:02:49

Sounds more like a 4w5


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Alberto Giacometti

5680 phsc 51ce0ead on 2019/03/24 (Sunday) 11:36:07

Duplicate http://index.sakinorva.net/view?id=4652

 

There are also two Leibnizes http://index.sakinorva.net/view?id=1071 http://index.sakinorva.net/view?id=4402


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Ernesto "Che" Guevara

4460 LVNA ae693749 on 2018/12/29 (Saturday) 16:00:51

Woah...he is very obviously not LSI...I'm unsure how anyone could think "ENFP LSI" makes any sense. Ti ego is intelligible because of his doctrinairan spirit, but it certainly was not his dominant function. Ep temperament should be fairly obvious...he was continually on the move, sought new experiences, and decided to continue exploring and fighting for a world revolution even though he was offered the chance to help set up Cuba's communist configuration. His Ep spirit can also be seen in his decision to up and leave medical school and simply travel America, being something like the Don Quixote to his own Sancho Panza. I remember reading some quote of his where he said he went on that trip not looking for anything and simply wanting to avoid any fixed form of work. Also I think it's notable that his ideological opinions conformed with his own desires to continue travelling and meet people. He justified murdering people of "low consciousness (really a backwards consciousness in his view)" but didn't admit this was his reason for killing, and instead indicated he simply loved it for the sport (I think this would work the other way if you were dealing with an LSI). But I also think he was ultimately motivated by ideas, and, much like his friends Marx and Castro, was certainly a Jung Ne type. 

Some good quotes: 

"I could become very rich in Guatemala but by the low method of ratifying my title, opening a clinic, and specialising in allergies. To do that would be the most horrible betrayal of the two 'I's' struggling inside me: the socialist and the traveller."

"In the field of ideas not involving productive activities it is easier to distinguish the division between material and spiritual necessity. For a long time man has been trying to free himself from alienation through culture and art. While he dies every day during the eight or more hours that he sells his labour, he comes to life afterwards in his spiritual activities."

"A school of artistic experimentation is invented, which is said to be the definition of freedom; but this “experimentation” has its limits, imperceptible until there is a clash, that is, until the real problems of individual alienation arise. Meaningless anguish or vulgar amusement thus become convenient safety valves for human anxiety. The idea of using art as a weapon of protest is combated. Those who play by the rules of the game are showered with honors — such honors as a monkey might get for performing pirouettes. The condition is that one does not try to escape from the invisible cage."

 


5679 thormns 70add034 on 2019/03/24 (Sunday) 11:15:34

Chad


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Dave Chappelle

5672 thormns 70add034 on 2019/03/23 (Saturday) 09:49:17

lol

>black

>must be sensor???


5674 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2019/03/23 (Saturday) 23:27:28

lol

>black


5676 thormns 70add034 on 2019/03/24 (Sunday) 09:45:54

lol

>bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbenis


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Hangs out with almost exclusively girls, but is straight

5675 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2019/03/24 (Sunday) 06:22:11

I'd argue that you would've voted differently if the entry had a different picture


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Joe Rogan

5673 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2019/03/23 (Saturday) 23:15:28

yo jamie pull up that new self-improvement routine and bring me some DMT. wow thats crazy man


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Pantheism

5671 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2019/03/23 (Saturday) 03:45:38

definitely not 4 lmfao


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6ix9ine

2292 Doha a1ca9f63 on 2018/07/21 (Saturday) 06:20:48

ESTP 7w8 is also a possibility


3218 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2018/09/09 (Sunday) 17:05:08

ESI isn't Fe-dom dumbass


3221 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2018/09/09 (Sunday) 17:07:22

yeah but he voted ESI dumbass


3223 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2018/09/09 (Sunday) 17:08:56

who you calling a dumbass, dumbass


3225 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2018/09/09 (Sunday) 18:31:24

If you can't use his actions to type him then how the hell do you "define who a person really is" then? Are you gonna look at the ~essence of his personality~ no one but you can see despite everything he does being in conflict with it? Fi base is morally tight and principled as hell, this dude will say whatever to get him attention regardless of if he cares about it or if it's true and doesn't care at all about others if there's no clout involved, he's anything but socio Fi


5652 spaceynyc 7f321b52 on 2019/03/21 (Thursday) 22:06:28

6ix9ine is most definitely Fi/Te axis. He has no sense of Ti whatsoever. He’s over relies on Te to back his points up.


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Ulysses

5642 Zeego dd1c80b0 on 2019/03/19 (Tuesday) 21:17:41

It would be interesting to know what his original Pre-Greek name was that the Greeks transliterated all those different ways


5643 Jacobus 900d2bea on 2019/03/19 (Tuesday) 22:40:18

Duplicate

http://index.sakinorva.net/view?id=6475


5644 Zeego dd1c80b0 on 2019/03/20 (Wednesday) 10:35:33

Ah ok, I searched for "Ulysses" and found nothing so I just now added that as an alternate name on that entry


5651 Zeego dd1c80b0 on 2019/03/21 (Thursday) 18:57:05

I keep hitting the "Delete" button and this entry isn't deleting...


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Camila Cabello

5067 suckmydick b98b1723 on 2019/01/28 (Monday) 01:01:15

shes clearly an infp wtf is wrong with yall


5068 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2019/01/28 (Monday) 03:57:31

did you like your own comment right there?


5645 suckmydick b98b1723 on 2019/03/20 (Wednesday) 13:40:48

ur username is literally Kawaii and ur trying to drag me


5649 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2019/03/21 (Thursday) 13:54:22

thats just short for kawaii_marten


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Reddit

4557 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2019/01/09 (Wednesday) 22:02:32

yeah deffo not INTP, the platform is on some SJW shit


4766 Teru Mikami 70588bc3 on 2019/01/23 (Wednesday) 06:34:48

my life is shit haha

 

EDIT: thanks for the gold


5648 thormns 70add034 on 2019/03/21 (Thursday) 06:39:55

Reddit sucks


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C.S. Joseph

5646 kawaii f3e8b295 on 2019/03/20 (Wednesday) 16:29:15

idiotic


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